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Poster: hippie64 Date: Jun 5, 2010 5:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

I really cant thank you enough for you kindly sharing your experience and knowledge of this run of shows.

you provided the exact information that I was looking for, and did so with courtesy.

Bless you sir ! Long Live the Grateful Dead !

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 6, 2010 1:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

No worries, I hope you made the decision that suits you best, or in any case I'm glad I could at least be of some help.

As for the argument in general about downloading official releases, this debate was brought up today on Workingman's Tracker about the Dick's Pick from 82. The general consensus is that the sound quality is absolutely terrible, the "worst sounding DP ever" to some. I wouldn't know, I'm not a fan of 82 and have never heard the show in any form. But Charlie Miller chimed in and said that his copy of the show blows away the official release, which I believe he agreed "sounds like complete ass." I believe his source is also different from the one used for the Dick's Pick, and is therefore technically kosher to circulate (though not all sites are ok with that, I am pretty sure you wouldn't find it at Lossless Legs, but etree has no issue with this, as far as I know).

But it brings up a good question-typically the primary incentive to purchase an official release (aside from supporting the band of course) is because it is almost always an upgrade in sound quality. In this case, it seems that it would be a downgrade in quality. Where would "you" (the community) stand on this? Would you rather wait until Miller's apparently "legit/circulatable" version of superior quality surfaces, or purchase the by all accounts inferior sounding official release?

I myself am also more of a completist and am much more hesitant to buy an official release of one or two hacked up partial shows. The Road Trips from 79 comes to mind. It's an argument that has been beaten to death, but I think it would be in their best interests to make downloads available (in all cases where possible) of the complete show/s to append the partials that are released.

I did see the other day that you can now buy MP3s/FLACS of all the officially released stuff, generally for 99 cents a song, I think. Don't quote me on that. I think that's a good start, though I think in some cases you wind up actually paying MORE for the release than if you had just ordered it in the past? And without all the fancy packaging at that? It could use some tweaking.

Something else came to mind to me today when thinking about this thread. What about buying official releases from used CD stores? In the last 5-10 years the local resale shop near me has taken a huge bite due to the current technology and the way people not only buy their music (if they even pay for it at all) but also in how they listen to it. Perhaps some day CD's will be as sought after as vinyl is today by the more die hard collectors. I dunno. Anyway, many years ago I bought a number of Dead cd's at the used cd store, is that bad ethics? On the one hand, I'm supporting my local merchant. On the other hand, that's one less copy that is being bought from GDP. Something to ponder anyway.